tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post41519326065576591..comments2023-05-28T08:02:09.824-07:00Comments on Veritas Supra Omnis: Is boycotting a good thing?Mark Hutchinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08456836174269938022noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-31432874243725328552008-11-15T20:02:23.000-08:002008-11-15T20:02:23.000-08:00Christi,I actually agree that AFA has a tendency t...Christi,<br><br>I actually agree that AFA has a tendency to overstate things, so I always conduct my own research before I "do" anything. I can't think of an organization off the top of my head that I wouldn't double check though (involved in politics or culture), so I guess AFA has company in my books.<br><br>As to your points, I definitely understand your where you are coming from and to an extent would be inclined to agree. I agree strongly that it is wrong to ostracize fellow emplyee's for being homosexual. But, here is where I most disagree.<br><br>Why did Pepsi-Cola have to bring in this radical group?<br> <br>(note: my calling PFLAG "radical" is based upon research I have only done in the last couple of days...the majority of which consisted of reading their site. If they are less radical than depicted here I am more than open to correction)<br><br>By bringing in PFLAG to do the training I believe they were, in effect, endorsing PFLAG...saying "we think they are a good bunch so we are tagging them to do our heterosexual tolerance training for us." If nothing else they have not (to the best of my knowledge) made it known that they do not support the rest of the organizations activities. But, If they did make that distinction, wouldn't they look a little silly for hiring them, after acknowledging such significant differences?<br><br>In short, Pepsi-Cola didn't have to bring in PFLAG to do this training. They could have done it themselves, hired individuals not officially associated with any radical gay activist organization, or found a less radical group. None of these options seem unreasonable to me.<br> <br>Since they didn't do any of these things and seeing nothing else that would give me cause to believe otherwise, I must assume they do endorse (corporately) the activities of PFLAG.veritassupraomnis2008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-44362855377771310632008-11-15T19:34:35.000-08:002008-11-15T19:34:35.000-08:00Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I will ...Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I will join you and AFA in a boycott against Pepsi. I always thought Coca-Cola was better anyway.<br><br>I know that the movement to abolish the British Atlantic slave trade boycotted sugar, and they succeeded.Daniel Gilmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-72531153734570132662008-11-15T17:34:10.000-08:002008-11-15T17:34:10.000-08:00YOu need to put up an RSS feed so we can subscribe...YOu need to put up an RSS feed so we can subscribe to your blog.Jeremiahhttp://www.jeremiahjw.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-51083929452987092552008-11-15T18:48:54.000-08:002008-11-15T18:48:54.000-08:00Hi Mark, just thought I'd mention something th...Hi Mark, just thought I'd mention something that you may not be aware of. I feel that the AFA's action alert on this topic is predictably overhyped. While I certainly disagree with many of PFLAG's causes (like same-sex marriage and gay adoption), it is important to realize that Pepsi-Cola's donation to PFLAG most definitely is not being used to support these things. The donation was made to a specific program, a fact the AFA has conveniently failed to mention, called "Straight for Equality" which is actually a program for heterosexuals. As best I can tell, this program's intent is to advocate better attitudes for homosexual co-workers, friends, and acquaintances. The program has a specific branch caled "Straight for Equality in the Workplace." As an employers of probably milliions, Pepsi-Cola has a legitimate interest in promoting a peaceful work environment amongst co-workers. <br><br>Of course, I disagree with the underlying premise of the program, which is that homosexuality is okay, therefore we should treat people equally. But I think their conclusion is correct even if they have arrived at it the wrong way. I think homosexuality as a behavior is wrong, but I don't think people should be ostracized in the workplace because of it.Christi Parkerhttp://www.eddieandchristi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-44838906243083541192008-11-15T20:07:32.000-08:002008-11-15T20:07:32.000-08:00Jeremiah: I agree. :-) All I have to do is figure...Jeremiah: I agree. :-) All I have to do is figure out how to get it now that I have realized I don't have it.<br><br>Thanks for pointing that out!<br><br>Daniel: I am more of a Dr. Pepper and Root Beer fan, so from a soft drink standpoint this boybott will not be that difficult for me. *moment of honesty*<br><br>I do love Tropicana and Gatorade!veritassupraomnis2008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-89824358428847636452008-11-15T20:50:13.000-08:002008-11-15T20:50:13.000-08:00I know alot of people who have tried to boycott Ch...I know alot of people who have tried to boycott China, or Walmart, or McDonalds or whatever the AFA throws out, but I don't think you're really going to make an impact unless it's massive and organized. If it were a mom and pop shop, it'd work, but against a massive company, it has to be massive.<br><br>If one were to effectively and truly boycott those companies (or walmart mostly I guess) then you'd logically have to boycott all of the sister companies and any manufacturing company that supports their stance too (proctor and gamble) which means......you'll really have to look hard, or spend more money, and people aren't going to that, especially now.Kierstynhttp://kpaulino.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-81198157090339525572008-11-16T13:19:58.000-08:002008-11-16T13:19:58.000-08:00Kierstyn,Unfortunately (perhaps..then again perhap...Kierstyn,<br><br>Unfortunately (perhaps..then again perhaps not), you are right. It takes a massive amount of people to successfully boycott a large corporation. But, as I pointed out in my blog post, AFA has already successfully orchestrated boycott's of Wal-Mart (not 100% sucessful depending on how you look at it, but definitely successful in that Wal-Mart backed down and complied with the most significant of AFA's requests) and McDonald's, both major corporations. <br><br>However, due to the fact that Pepsi-Cola is more of a conglomerate than either Wal-Mart or McDonalds, I think boycotting them is a more difficult proposition. Perhaps AFA would be better served keying in on a less difficult corporation; I am sure there is one.<br><br>But there is something else to be considered here. <br><br>In these troubled and/or unstable economic times corporations are in reaction mode. Already feeling the pinch of the economic downturn and (more significantly) anticipating worse to come, the last thing any corporation wants is a significantly sized boycott of their company, particularly when the costumers they have lost start buying from their competition (giving their competition an edge). In other words, if ever there were a time to boycott a giant, now would be that time. The timing is right for such actions.<br><br>I hope that made sense. Whatever AFA and other likeminded people do, they can't just sit idly by and allow this chain of opposition (that ultimately leads to lobbying on Capitol Hill) remain un-contested. Is Pepsi-Cola the right coporation to target? I think there are good reasons for answering yes. The ultimate answer to that question will be seen in the results of the boycott.veritassupraomnis2008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-22417489586880022462008-11-17T11:26:53.000-08:002008-11-17T11:26:53.000-08:00My first reaction is to throw out all Pepsi Cola p...My first reaction is to throw out all Pepsi Cola products, put my hands on my hips, stamp my foot and stick my tongue out....THERE! Buuuuttt, I am pretty much convinced that that would not get anyone anywhere, except that I might go through the kitchen floor depending on how hard I stomped. <br><br>After having thought on this for a few days I will now try to gather up my thoughts to post them in some legible way. <br><br>First off I am inclined to think that boycotts are not always the answer, but I think that this situation definitely deserves one. I am willing to join the boycott and not being a big pop drinker I doubt I will be suffering much. One thing to note is that Pepsi-Cola produces a lot more than just Pepsi and Cola. Refer to link for a list of products http://www.pepsico.com/PEP_Company/BrandsCompanies/index.cfm#container5 <br><br>So ultimately yes, I would join the boycott as to if it will work...I am a bit skeptical there, but we will have to wait and see.Amandahttp://www.hhphotography.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-970095612678168609.post-85071701245474606782008-11-17T11:29:57.000-08:002008-11-17T11:29:57.000-08:00whoops sorry! I forgot that I did not need to be ...whoops sorry! I forgot that I did not need to be Amanda on your blog :D<br>I think the new look is cool btw!Hillary Hippshttp://www.hhphotography.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com